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LIVE BLOG: I have [been] put on the spot by those who hate the ANC - Zuma

Former President Jacob Zuma testifies at the state capture inquiry.

DAY 4: Part 1 - Former President Jacob Zuma at the Commission into State Capture


Zuma wraps up by singing 'yinde lendlela'.

Zuma again speaks about plots to destroy him dating back to the 90s. He also brings in the question around the assassination of Chris Hani. "Who had sold Chris Hani?"

Zuma is repeating some of what he said on Monday.

"The name of the Commission assumes Judges are captured, Parliament is captured, the Executive is captured. It is not an innocent name," Zuma says.

Despite saying in the commission that he respects the processes of the inquiry- he says this commission the way it’s set up was to target him and set a narrative that disparages his character.

Zuma says the conspiracy to destroy some in the ANC is continuing.

On the stage now is Mosebenzi Zwane who says they’ve watched as this revolutionary has been victimized in the past 15 years.

Carl Niehaus says when the public protector finds against you, you must account. 

“Thank you Nxamalala for showing us that you accept the law....” 

Cosas is here to support Zuma.

Next week, the commission wil deal with the Estina Dairy Farm scandal.

"No one should have a wrong impression that the raising of concerns were just done to disrupt the processes.. I am happy that we have found a solution."

"It's in the interest of all of us to address issues that affect this country in whatever form."

Zuma thanks Zondo for looking into his concerns. He says it is everyone's right to have their concerns looked at.

Zuma has indicated that he would like to say something, however.

"We are therefore at a stage where we are not going to proceed today with the hearing of the former president's evidence... he will come back later on."

"It is contemplated that at a certain stage, the former president will come back and give evidence. .. It may well be that the time that he will need to testify might be shortened." 

If the two sides can't agree on a timeframe, they will meet Zondo and he will make a decision on a time frame.

The two teams will agree the timeframe within which the former president's council will provide the former president's statement in regards to the specific areas of interest.

Zuma's legal team will meet with the commission's legal team within the next 2 weeks to a document that indicated exactly which areas in the various witness affidavits they would the former president to give info about.

We are back from the break. Zondo says the meeting was very fruitful and both sides were very respectful.

Zondo is not sure what time we will resume.

We adjourn for a short break.

Sikhakhane wants to investigate the treatment of Zuma.

"Your team is incompetent in how it raises things to us."

"If our client's rights are not respected, then what choice do we have?"

"The people who sit there have their lives at stake. The commission has implications for their lives," Sikhakhane says.

Sikhakhane now up. He says Pretorius is giving them a legal lecture they don't know. "How patronising."

Zondo wants to meet with the legal teams in separate chambers.

"I expected that he would cooperate. Which he did by agreeing to come.

Zondo reminds Sikhakhane that he said last year that Zuma was willing to cooperate.

"When I wanted the further president to appear... I had two options; either to make an arrangement, find out if he is willing to come... or get the secretary of the commission to issue the summons to compel him," Zondo says. 

Only one statement had been, by mistake, not been sent.

Zondo says he made the decision for the exact questions to not be sent because he thought if he had the statements, it would be enough.

Zuma was given the chance to go through the statements with his lawyers two weeks before first appearing at the commission. The legal team confirmed they did receive them.

"It was made clear that we would put questions to him based on evidence and statements made by some witnesses."

"The decision to ask the former president to appear before the commission this week was my decision. And my decision alone. I, therefore, do not want Mr Pretorius or the commission's legal team to be criticised for a decision they did not make... I believed it was the correct decision, I still believe it is the correct decision," Zondo says the purpose of calling Zuma was to allow him to gove his side of the story and out questions to him.

Zondo says Zuma's concerns will need to be accommodated without compromising the work of the commission and the legal teams.

"I do intend, nevertheless, before we reach finality on this matter. I do intend and would like to have a session with council for the former president and council for the legal team in my chambers." Zondo says. 

Zondo says he was expecting to be informed by the evening.

Zondo will now respond. "I am disappointed that yesterday a situation was allowed to happen where I went to bed without knowing how the discussions between the commission's legal team and the former president's legal team were going."

"We've complied by the rules."

Pretorius says this is an investigation, not a trial and for this reason, there is no cross-examination.

Pretorius says the term cross-examined is a term that has been used loosely to describe questions that are difficult to answer.

"We are not here to prove a case."

Pretorius goes on to say he doesn’t understand what Zuma’s lawyers mean when they say Zuma was cross-examined. 

“It is not up to a party to determine if the rules of this commission have been breached. It’s up to you and the courts”.

"We will follow the act and the rules to the letter," says Pretorius.

"Mr Zuma and his legal are in effect asking to be excused from the application of the rules," Pretorius says. He says if questions are difficult "so be it". No questions asked have gone beyond the terms of the limits.

"Once a person comes before the commission... certain duties and obligations arise. One of those is the duty of the legal to perform its functions in terms of the legal framework."

Pretorius says once someone appears at the commission, certain obligations arise

Pretorius wants to clarify certain issues with the reasons why Zuma doesn't want to testify anymore.

Advocate Pretorius will now respond to Sikhakhane.

Sikhakhane claims the process has become a political one.

Sikhakhane says he thinks there is something wrong with the process.

"We want to explore our option of going to our courts..."

"We;ve come to tell you, chair... because of the reservations we've raised... my client has raised that he will take no part in these proceedings."

"This commission does not know who is guilty. It's trying to find out..."

Sikhakhane says this is all a joke.

Sikhakhane says the 9 witnesses who testified against Zuma - Themba Maseko, Vytjie Mentor, Nhlanhla Nene, Fikile Mbalula, Angelo Agrizzi, Pravin Gordhan and others - treated Zuma as someone who must come and answer. Someone who has been accused. "Everyone who came, who was selected from government, had a grievance against him."

They have reservations over how he was treated. "He was subjected to relentless cross-examined."

BREAKING NEWS: "We will take no further part in these proceedings," Zuma's legal team has just announced at the. Sikhakhane says their client has reservations about how things have been carried out at the inquiry.

Advocate Sikhakhane says he is puzzled that Zondo only got correspondence of what will happen this morning.

Advocate Pretorius says Zuma's complaints are valid. 

Advocate Pretorius explains that Zuma has not been cross-examined. He has been questioned.

The commission's legal team will perform its duties, says Pretorius.

Advocate Pretorius says they will proceed in terms of the rules.

DCJ Zondo says one of the TV channels said Zuma would continue to testify today. He says he knows nothing about that as discussions were still on going tomorrow.

Advocate Sikhakhane has walked in.

Health Minister Zweli Mkhize commented on former President Jacob Zuma's appearance at the state capture commission in Parktown.

Of course, Zuma's supporters are back as well. One of them is Hlaudi Motsoeneng, who had lots to say.

We are back at the state capture inquiry where former president Jacob Zuma will again appear.

We are done for today.

"I am confident that... a way will be found to make sure that we can proceed with a certain understanding," Zondo says.

"I believe that all sides were trying to find solutions to whatever issues arose," Zondo say.

We will adjourn the proceedings for today. The commission will not sit tomorrow in order to give the commission's legal team and Zuma's legal team to find a way to address Zuma's concern's.

Zuma's concerns will be looked into to see if both sides can be accommodated without the commission compromising its job.

Zondo and the legal teams discussed suggestions that the commission will make sure that it accommodates everyone.

Zondo says they were delayed by discussions that we going on.

We are now back.

Tweeps don't seem sold on Zuma's complaints...

We are now 20 min past the 30 min break requested.

Sikhakhane stands again. He wants to adjourn. "I have a view that my client was brought here under false pretences... It's clear, it's just been confirmed, he is being cross-examined." He wants Zuma to reconsider his position here. He wants 30 min. Zondo grants this.

Pretorius says Zuma can say he doesn't remember things, but if they proceed and ask him about more allegations, they still need a response from him. They can't not ask him.

We have not made any progress yet. We are still stuck on the commission asking Zuma to remember things.

"What other answer must I give that will make the commission to be satisfied?" Zuma asks.

"I would have never said. I don't, as a president... I can't say 'I want this' and it succeeds," Zuma says of the allegation that he said Gama was the only choice. Zuma sounds irritated now.

"I don't understand this very broad word 'he interfered'. In what way?" Zuma asks about Hogan's allegations.

Zondo tells Pretorius that he should bear Zuma's concerns in mind going forward.

Zondo says Zuma should feel free to say he doesn't remember some things.

Zondo says it is important to ask whether Zuma remembers certain things.

We are back from lunch. Zuma says he has a problem with being made to remember every detail of things that are known by details. He says he was not taking minutes on these details. He was not there when these things are happening. He says this will make the commission come to certain conclusions.

WATCH LIVE: DAY 3: Part 2 - Former President Jacob Zuma at the Commission into State Capture

We now adjourn for lunch.

Zuma's answers are now becoming thinner in detail. He responds with "no, no comment etc."

The board did not shortlist Gama as second in line to be CEO. It did not think Gama was suitable.

Other names were then put forward for the CEO post.

Zuma says he was aware of the sentiments on Gama's recommendations by the inquiry.

There is a summary of the Gama report.

Zuma said he read the inquiry's report, but that it was a report "like all othe reports".

The inquiry found that Gama was guilty on some charges. Zuma says he doesn't remember the final conclusion.

Zuma says Gama's problems were well known, but he doesn;t know the details.

Gama's contractual relationship with Nyanda was also spotlighted during the process. Zuma says he recalls this.

Zondo says they are seeking to find out his own understanding of the process. Sikhakhane asks what this has to do with fraud and corruption.

Sikhakhane rises and says "This is poor, this is really poor." He looks exasperated. "This witness comes here... This is no expert in those processes." He says it's unfair to ask Zuma to explain the process of selecting people when the documents explain this. "He's told you that he couldn't have said it."

Pretorius asks what Zuma's view was of Gama's appointment. Zuma says he did not put his preference on Gama but looked at whatever would happen at the end of the process.

Zuma says he isn't sure if people were very local. It means Hogan was speaking to many people. He does not admit or deny.

Hogan had said say ANC members, including Gwede Mantashe, and members of the tripartite alliance, were very vocal that Gama should be GCEO.

"The president can't say 'you can't do this' because that decision must be taken by the collective," Zuma says.

"I don't remember discussing an individual like [Siyabonga] Gama... I could not have said so."

"I've got difficulties with this report..." Zuma says.

Hogan said Zuma said no one would be appointed GCEO until Gama's inquiry was concluded.

Zuma says everyone knew Gama was facing charges.

"I never said this," Zuma says of the responses he gave Hogan.

"The process does not work like that."

"That can't be," Zuma again says about Gama being his ONLY choice. "I would not have said this, not at all."

Zuma says he could not have said this when someone had serious charges against them. "I don't remember saying this."

Hogan was shocked when Zuma told him that Gama was "his only choice for GCEO". She told him he was not the choice and she could not override the board's process of appointing.

Zuma says he recalls this.

Hogan said after being appointed DPE minister, she met with Zuma and told him that they needed a CEO as a matter of urgency. She then told him of an inquiry on Gama

Zuma says he remembers Sipho Maseko. Who was nominated by the board for CEO.

At the time, elections were about to happen so an acting CEO and CFO were appointed because they had not found someone yet.

Gama was one of those who went through the deployment committee.

This all happened around May 2009. 

"I may not remember the details of who was on the list or not," Zuma says. He says Gama had also applied and when Gordhan withdrew candidature, Gama was chosen because he was known and had worked there a long time. It was felt he was the right fit.

Pravin Gordhan was recommended, he then withdrew his candidacy and became minister of finance. Hogan said there was no list where Siyabonga Gama was second of those recommended to be CEO.

Pretorius now addresses Hogan's testimony about appointments at Transnet.

"Loyalty goes without saying, it's not the only [criteria,] but it doesn't mean you can't take a professional who is willing to work in government."

Zondo wants clarity on whether loyalty should be a factor.

"Parties can't take people who don't like that party to come and work," Zuma explains of the deployment process.

We ae back from tea.

We adjourn for tea.

"The process is thorough," Zuma says.

Zuma explains how ministers go through the deployment committee selection process. He says it doesn't happen that those who score low, but are in one faction will be favoured. The committee looks at getting the right person.

"It's not true," Zuma says of Hogan's comments about the Polokwane conference.

Zuma says he doesn't to get into these discussions.

Zuma says it can't be that all ministers come from one faction.

Zuma says he can't debate Hogan's views. But he says it isn't true that people from factions were appointed to government positions after Polokwane.

Hogan had said after the Polokwane conference, there were factional battles which had an effect on who was appointed. This only encouraged patronage and nepotism, with damaging consequences for the economy.

"There is no party in the world that wins elections and the forgets about the supporters and people."

"Why should you not take people who are loyal to the party if they have skills?" Zuma asks. Zondo wants clarity on whether loyalty is the only criteria. "You can't have a kind of a government which is based on factions." Zuma says people's suitability is more important than loyalty.

"She has views, maybe she has experience..." Zuma says of Hogan's testimony on the committee.

"It's not meant to take your friends," Zuma says. 

Hogan had said directorship to boards should never be granted to people as rewards for loyalty to the party or faction of a party. Zuma says once again, she was expressing her views.

Zuma says the committee must implement the party policy. They can't appoint people from other parties.

Hogan had said the committee would favour people close to certain aligned structures. Zuma says she doesn't know what she thinks should happen. "The people who are here are people who would be known because of their profession..."

Zuma says her argument is not correct, it's just a view.

Hogan expressed views on the deployment committee. She said the usefulness is debatable. 

The committee changes with new terms of leadership.

Zuma explains that normally the deputy president chairs this committee. This is because the DP would know what is needed in government because he is also SA's DP. Other ministers would be ministers of a particular type who know what government does. The sitting president doesn't sit on the committee but can interact with the DP.

The committee recommends, it doesn't appoint.

He says the committee to make sure there is a variety of people available to choose from.

Zuma says the committee's decision is not final.

Once the ANC committee has chosen someone, government processes then kick in. However, if a department minister suggests someone, the committee helps facilitate that process. "It does not impose them... It is a discussion that takes place. Once that process is done, there will have to be a government process wherein people go through an interview."

Ministers would also rely on the party to deploy them in certain positions.

"There is a deployment committee in the ANC," Zuma says. He says given the fact that it is a ruling party, it decided there should be such a committee. The ANC has an interest once it has put its government. It decided it must assist government to find people to do specific things.

Pretorius asks Zuma to explain the deployment process of board members.

Pretorius says the commission's investigation is concerned about how senior posts to SOE boards are appointed.

Pretorius asks about 'behind the scenes processes' about who was appointed to boards. The ANC had certain expectations about this when it came into power in 1994.

Pretorius begins questioning.

"If questions are asked to the former president that are unfair, I will intervene," Zondo says.

Zondo says everyone has a job to do. "The legal team for the former president has no power to prescribe to the commission legal team how to do their job. Nor has the legal team of the commission have the power to prescribe to the former president's legal team how to do their job."

Pretorius says he finds it disturbing the manner in which Zuma's legal team wants to control exercise over proceedings.

Advocate Pretorius disputes that there is unfairness in the line of questioning.

After Hogan's testimony, the commission will deal with Nhlanhla Nene's testimony.

Sikhakhane says they were keen to move onto Pravin Gordhan's evidence.

Zondo says there's is nothing wrong with going back to questions overlooked provided Zuma is able to answer them.

Advocate Sikhakhane says Zuma's legal counsel still has issues with how things are being done. He says there needs to be 'proper structure'.

Zuma has walked into the room.

DAY 3: Part 1 - Former President Jacob Zuma at the Commission into State Capture


That's it for today. Inquiry will start at 10 tomorrow.

Pretorius doesn't object "It's been a strenious day."

Zuma's counsel asks for an adjournment for the day...

Gigaba is here today. Maybe he's here to hear what is being said about him?

Pretorius: Do you have any comment on how the process was followed during Miss Hogan's tenure?
Zuma: That is accurate. It's how it works.

Adv Pretorius asks ubaba Zuma to clarify how people are deployed...

Former minister Malusi Gigaba walked in. Here to support Zuma? Let's wait and see...

Advocate Pretorius moves on to with Barbara Hogan's evidence.

Zondo asks Zuma to clarify Maseko saying he was removed so urgently. "You don't know anything about that?"
Zuma: No nothing. Ministers discuss amongst themselves. 

Zuma reiterates to Zondo that ministers deal with DGs and not the president.

Zondo is going through Maseko's evidence...
Zuma: No. I have nothing to add. Absolutely nothing because DGs deal with ministers and not presidents. There's no president who can come in and say no I don't like him. It never goes this way.

Chair Zondo asks to take Zuma back to Maseko's evidence... 
Zondo says Maseko said he did his job well at GCIS as CEO and no managers complained about him. Maseko said the only reason he was removed was because Zuma called and asked for him to be deployed or contract terminated...

Zondo: Do you know why Miss Mentor could have given these details?
Zuma: I don't know why.

Zuma said it never happened where he met Mentor at the Gupta house.

Zondo asks Zuma about Mentor saying he asked her to calm down after Ajay Gupta had upset her. Mentor said Zuma walked her to her car and carried her bag... 
Zuma: No recollection at all. Nothing.

Pretorius makes it clear to Zuma that he has an option to not respond to some of his questions...

Zuma's counsel is up again to address something.

Masuku clarifies that it was Mentor who said the Hawks said they would not investigate her case against Zuma. Pretorius said he did make it clear.

Pretorius tells Zuma he's asking him to make a comment, he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.
Zuma says no comment.
Masuku is up, seems he wants ti address something...

Zuma: Well I know nothing about this matter. 
Pretorius asks Zuma is he had known about the matter, how would he have reacted.
Zuma: It's difficult to have a comment because I don't know.

Mentor complained that the Hawks seemed to not investigate her case. Pretorius asks Zuma if he's aware of the charge against him.
Zuma: No.

Pretorius goes through Mentor's evidence where she laid charges against the former president.

Okay everyone has copies now. Pretorius going through the evidence with Zuma.

The inquiry is back. Maybe many copies were made

5 minute break for Pretorius to find a missing document.

Ubaba Zuma says Mentor is exaggerating. "It's not true that I introduced her to the caucus. It's not the president's job." Zuma argued.

Hold on... Vytjie Mentor posted on her Facebook. She seems to have replied to this inquiry.

Zuma: When she says I introduced her to the caucus, she's mistaken because I'm not the one who does the introductions... Zuma then explains how people are seated in Parliament.

Pretorius goes through Mentor's Facebook post after the 15 March 2016 statement. He reads the part where Mentor details how Zuma knows her. "He's the one who introduced me to the ANC caucus. He met me frequently on the ground," Mentor said in her Facebook post.

Adv Pretorius is going through a copy of evidence with chair Zondo...

Some tension between Pretorius and Masuku over copies of evidence...  

WATCH LIVE: Zuma on day 2 of the state capture commission of inquiry.

Zuma concedes that the statement is actually incorrect.

Zuma: At that time I had no recollection of her. Totally! I couldn't put the name to the face. Only after seeing pictures did I remember her.

Ubaba denied knowing Vytjie Mnetor in 2016... Pretorius asks Zuma if recalls anything...

Pretorius reads the press release to Zuma...

Zuma replies he was working in the Presidency.

Adv Pretorius talks about a media statement from the Presidency from 15 March 2016. Asks who Bongani Majola is...

The inquiry is back from the lunch break.

ubaba Zuma is back from lunch and seated. Waiting for inquiry to begin. 

The inquiry now takes a lunch break

Chair Zondo: Have you ever been at the Gupta residence same time as her [Mentor]?
Zuma: No.
Zondo: Do you recall who she is?
Zuma: Yes I do recall her.

Zuma: I don't know why they [Ajay Gupta and Vytjie Mentor] would have that kind of a discussion. 

Zondo rephrases Pretorius's question, asking: Was your relationship with Ajay Gupta such that he could suggest who could be appointed as minister?
Zuma: Not at all.

Light moment nyana as Zondo presses the wrong button by mistake, muting then unmuting Pretorius's mic.

WATCH LIVE

Pretorius reading Mentor's evidence on Ajay Gupta telling her she could be a minister if she agreed to changing SAA routes. Ajay told her she would put in a word with the president for her. The advocate asks Zuma is knows of this....

Zuma said he would always consult the NEC and the alliance of a Cabinet reshuffle. 

Zuma maintains that Ajay Gupta would not know of a cabinet reshuffle. 

"I know nothing of it." Zuma's response to most of Pretorius's questions...

Zondo asks Zuma if 

Zondo asks Zuma if he recalls a state visit to China in 2010.
Zuma: I've gone to China a number of times. If I don't check my records I won't remember.

Pretorius: She says another reason for her removal was refusing to change an SAA route to India.

Zuma: No I know nothing of that.

Pretorius now tells Zuma that Mentor said the reason for her removal was she refused to meet with Zuma.

Zuma: I know nothing about it.

"I had no interaction with this witness." Zuma responds

"What Miss Mentor testified to is that a member of the Gupta familt offered a ministerial position in return for favour. She said that offer was made in approval of yourself." Pretorius asks Zuma...

Pretorius now looks att Vytjie Mentor's evidence...

Jacob Zuma says he wasn't the cause of Maseko being shifted.

Pretorius continues with Themba Maseko's testimony. We are at the point where Maseko met with late minister Chabane who told him he had to fire him but wont leave him on street. 

Advocate Paul Pretorius continues with his evidence.

It might be tea break time but we are still bringing you rolling coverage! ANC SG Ace Magashule is taking questions from journalists:

The inquiry adjourns for tea

After the back and fourth between Zuma's counsel and Adv Pretorius, Zondo calls for a tea break.

Adv Pretorius responds to Zuma's counsel saying he doesn't want to get into a debate. He says "We are affording Mr Zuma the opportunity to answer all those questions and what might have been said by Mtr Maseko and what he might have intended. I don't see that we are traversing." 

Masuku says the counsel is anxious because of the way they are treating Zuma.

Masuku: What is happening here is just not what should be happening.

Zondo calmly explains to Masuku how the terms of reference at an inquiry operate. 

The mood at the commission is a bit tense...

Masuku said Zuma was invited to clarify certain matters at the commission and not be cross-examined. 

"If the Guptas are not going to be here and corroborate what is being said here, then that is unfair." Zuma's counsel is not taking this matter lying down...

Zondo is clarifying the terms of reference of the inquiry.

Masuku was not happy and couldn't hold it in until they get to the chambers.

"If Mr Zuma says he doesn't remember, then that must be it. Let's be loyal to the terms of reference." Thabani Masuku argued.

"I don't recall phone calls I had last week! Now Mr Zuma must recall calls from years ago! That is unfair." Thabani Masuku continues...

"He's being asked to recall phone calls and interpret conversations. It's not fair and it's not right." Thabani Masuku, Zuma's defence, tells Zondo. 

Zuma's defence now addresses Zondo to say they are not happy with the way Pretorius is corss-examining their client.

Zuma keep referring to Themba Maseko as 'this DG'.

Zuma: It's a little bit strange and funny. I never called Chabane about this DG when I was abroad. 

Zuma: Let's assume I wanted Maseko out. Why would I wait to be very far, out of the country, to call and tell him to move departments? It's very funny.

Chair Zondo puts it to Zuma that he called Maseko to move to another department or leave. Zondo says Zuma called when he was out of the country. He asks the former president if he remembers that conversation...

Zuma: I don't remember the details. I can't remember on this particular DG what the problem was.

Adv Pretorius now discussing Maseko's transfer to another department shortly after a phonecall with Guptas. 

Zuma explains the process to make transfer possible.

Zuma now clarifies the president's role in people leaving departments and minister's roles in that matter.

Zuma agrees that Ajay Gupta's behaviour towards Maseko was improper. 

Zondo dwells on the statement from Maseko "If you don't do what I tell you, I will get your seniors to sort you out..." Zondo asks is Gupta was abusing his friendship with Zuma.

Zuma said he wouldn't be dealing with those matters. "Ministers would deal with that, not the president."

Pretorius continues on evidence about the 'New Age' newspapers and the Guptas. "Did they brief you about financing?"

Zuma says no. "They briefed me about establishing the business. Not the financing."

Zondo: Is there anything that would make Mr Ajay Gupta believe that he would sort out Maseko?

Zuma says he doesn't know.

Zuma responds saying he's not sure how to interpret the conversation between Maseko and Gupta.

Adv Pretorius outs it to Zuma that it seems Ajay Gupta was confident and arrogant when he spoke to Themba Maseko...

Zuma clarifies that when he spoke to the Guptas about the 'New Age' newspaper it was in a personal capacity and not as president of the country or the ANC.

Maseko testified that Ajay Gupta threatened to have him fired if the meeting didn't happen. 

Pretorius reads out Maseko's evidence: "Ajay Gupta called and sounded very agitated. He said he will not tolerate any nonsense and the meeting must happen on Monday morning."

Pretorius presents Themba Maseko's evidence that he received a call from the Guptas to meet up... 

Zuma says he's struggling to read the evidence put to him so Zondo requests that Pretorius reads out loud to the former president. 

Advocate Pretorius is leading evidence.

Zondo said the proceedings on Monday were characterised by respect from all sides; including lawyers, supporters etc. He urges everyone to continue that behaviour. 

Zondo condemns the matter of threatening to kill witnesses.

"It's unacceptable. People who come to the commission should not be threatened or intimidated. Their families should not be threatened or intimidated. All people in this countruy should take a stand against all forms of violence."

Zuma said after testifying for the first time at the State Capture Commision of Inquiry on Monday, he received death threats that included his family.

Chair Zondo replies to Zuma. He says it's totally unacceptable.

The former president said he received death threats and his family has also been threatened.

Zuma arrived to a standing ovation and claps from his supporters.

Zuma walked in to people clapping 

Zuma implicated several people in his testimony, including Ngoako Ramatlhodi, Simphiwe Nyanda, Redi Tlhabi, Penuell Maduna and Johan Rupert.

Zuma committed to coming back to the state capture commission after his testimony this week to deal with other issues, should he be requested to.

After his testimony yesterday, Zuma addressed his suporters and told them “Some people sold out during the struggle”.

Good morning and welcome to EWN's live blog about the State Capture Commission of Inquiry. Former president Jacob Zuma is due to testify for a second day.

"Let's be vigilant, the enemy is still around."

"As the ANC... our freedom is not complete," Zuma says.

Zuma tells supporters of the attempts to poison him.

"We should remain in our trenches to defend the ANC."

Zuma is repeating some of what he said earlier today.

"I have been told some of those I have implicated in the state capture inquiry have responded on social media," he says.

WATCH: The moment supporters handed over their memorandum.

Kebby Maphatsoe also gets a chance to speak.

Josina Machel, daughter of Graca Machel, responds to Zuma's claims against Redi Tlhabi.

Another view of the supporter

It's not as packed as originally thought would be.

We have adjourned for the day.

Zuma is asked if Ajay Gupta had power to tell ministers what to do. 'Why should he have power?' asks Zuma.

Zuma supporters can be heard outside the venue. Zuma will be addressing them at 4:15pm.

Pretorius says it was implied that the whole R600 media buying budget for GCIS would be spent on the Guptas. Zuma is asked if he knows anything about this. He says he has no knowledge.

It is alleged that the meeting between Maseko and the Guptas met on the same day of the call.

"Would that call have moved away from the normal procedures? Would it be compelling to DG to do a wrong thing," Zuma asks about the call to Maseko.

Advocate Sikhakhane wants to speak. He says it is not fair for Zuma to remember all the things he is being asked.

He doesn't deny that the call might have been made. This call was to help the Guptas start their media empire.

Zuma says he doesn't use the word 'mfo kababa' when he refers to someone. He says he uses 'mfan'akithi'. "I don't remember making the call saying 'mfo kababa'.," he says.

Zuma says he doesn't remember such a conversation.

Zuma is being quoted telling Maseko that he must meet the Guptas and help them.

Zuma says he never arranged for Maseko to meet Ajay Gupta.

Zuma confirms media buying spend was allocated to GCIS to the tune of R600mil.

Pretorius asks if Zuma would be responsible for the GCIS. Zuma says the late Collins Chabane was the one directly responsible. But the GCIS was under the presidency.

Zuma says he knew of the ANC inquiry. He can't remember its outcome.

A long list of names is read to Zuma. He is asked if any of them are part of the conspiracy against him. Zuma says a plan was made and there were people assigned to implement it. He says he didn't say the people carrying the instructions out were part of the planning.

Pretorius now asking Zuma on Themba Maseko's evidence.  He starts with Maseko making statement to then ANC SG Gwede Mantashe. ANC had started its own inquiry into the allegations of state capture. 

There are two big files in front of Zuma. We are dealing with a few pages from one file.

We're back to Pretorius now questioning Zuma.

#ThaboMbeki's foundation has responded to claims made about him & the Guptas by re-issuing an old statement from 2016. "For the record, President Thabo Mbeki did not at any point introduce the Gupta family to President Zuma," the foundation says. 

Mantsha uses Vytjie Mentor's evidence as an example of why they wanted question sent....they wanted to know if they were going to ask him things that were disputed before the commission.

Pretorius says this afternoon they will deal with Themba Maseko testimony. Advocate Mantsha now speaking.  He now takes us back to the engagement they had in chambers.  

Zondo says the documents they are lookingfor were prepared as a matter of caution because instructing attorney Mantsha had said not all  witness statements had been recieved by him. "We will have to find a way to ensure fairness." Sikhakhane says it is affecting innocent witness.

Sikhakhane says correspondence between two advocates needs to improve.

Advocate Sikhakhane says this is the problem the were trying to avoid.He says until 24th of June, when the relationship broke down he says the commission could have given them the files earlier,. "Process should not be run like an ambush," he says. 

Pretorius asks if this commission is the culmination of the conspiracy. Zuma says yes. 

He starts on the conspiracy from the 1990s.

Pretorius will question Zuma on the narrative he spoke of.

"The decision to ask Mr Zuma to appear here was mine and mine alone. I believe it was the thing to do," Zondo says. He adds his side needs to be heard.

Testimonies from Vytjie Mentor, Nhlanhla Nene, Pravin Gordhan, Fikile Mbalula will form part of questions directed at Zuma.

Pretorious says they are investigating within terms of reference mandating them to investigate under broad mandate of state capture.

Pretorius says this is not a trial.

Pretorius now gets to question Zuma.

Ramatlhodi has responded to the claim.

Zuma says he had forgotten to name the movie being made as part of a smear against him. He now remembers. "Raped by Power" is the name, he says.

Tlhabi has poked fun at the claim she is a spy.

We are back from lunch.

We now break for lunch.

Zuma has wrapped his opening address.

Zuma says Redi Tlhabi's book on Fezekile 'Khwezi' Khuzwayo and the rape scandal are also part of the narrative against him.

"It is important that before I die, I tell the story."

"I want peace. I want harmony. That is why, those who have done things to me, I am not bitter about them."

Zuma says Ngwako Ramatlhodi was carrying out instructions when he said Zuma auctioned the country. He claims he was recruited as a student to be a spy.

"I have been patient, not saying anything. But I have been provoked to the last degree."

Zuma said his own life was spared when he did not arrive at an event at a stadium.

Zuma says this spy even cost some comrades their lives.

Zuma now speakng about an operative called Ralph who gave himself name Fear who infiltrated the ANC. He says Ralph operated in Swaziland & caused people to die. He was arrested & confessed. He had actually been recruited by the regime & trained with ANC literature. 

A falsifying of history, some say...

Zuma allaudes to President Ramaphosa's 'wasted 9 years' statement. He says Ramaphosa was party to many decisions made during this time.

"I have survived attempts to kill me. People looking to poison me, or being instructed by their handlers to do so... All emanates from those people who made the plan in the beginning. At some point, they feel I'm not disappearing."

"I've been over provoked."

Zuma says there are some comrades that have provoked him. "One day, Comrade [Fikile] Mbalula attended an activity in the farm or home of Mr Roebert. And when Roebert saw him, he said ' Mr Mbalula, if Zuma removes Pravin Gordhan, we will shut down the economy of this country, you must go and tell him'. And he indeed he told me... Indeed, they did interfere with the rand. I knew it was a deliberate move. Part of the agenda.

"I was introduced to them even in a very high level of the ANC and that's how I got to know them."

"Nobody says anything about they're relationship with Mandela, they're relationship with Mbeki."

"There was no law broken there. I discuss many things with businesspeople. This was a normal interaction."

"They [Guptas] then said [to me] 'can you help? give us a name'... They loved this name 'The New Age'. So that's how it was named... I suggested the paper to them, I suggested the channel."

"At times the reporting in our country is not fair."

Zuma suggests that The New Age was started because there is so much media bias in the country. "The media in this country is very negative."

"The media is very bias. At all times it is very critical... There is no alternative voice."

"I never did anything, breaking the law with this [Gupta] family."

We are back from tea. Zuma now speaks on his relationship with the Guptas. He says he doesn't get why people only probe his relationship with the family when previous ANC presidents had relations with them.

We now take a tea break...

"I asked the organisation 'what have I done' and I was not answered."

Zuma says the NEC was influenced to make the decision that he should go. "That plan finally succeeded. I had to resign from the ANC in order to leave the ANC intact. I love it."

Zuma says his sons Duduzane and Saady have been unfairly treated in the working world because of allegations against their father.

"My own family suffers from this... People forget that I've got a family which will not want to hear lies being told about me."

"I have been provoked and provoked to the last degree."

Zuma tells Zondo that when questioning him, he must bare all this history in mind.

Zuma says even him being made not to give the Sona 2018 was part of his removal plan.

"I have a problem with the public protector taking the powers of the president in order to fulfil an agenda," he says. He asks why would Madonsela go to the extent of influencing the commission. He says this is all part of a plan.

Zuma says Madonsela took on the president's powers by instructing the chief justice on this commission.

"People tried to find something that would make Zuma disappear... Including the coming into being of this commission influenced by this. My concern, the public protector... in my view prescribes how this commission should be," he says.

One must listen very attentively as Zuma speaks, He moves along from one topic to another very quickly.

Zuma looks visibly irritated as he goes on...

Zuma says the matters the commission has dealt with are general corruption matters. But he is the kingpin to be investigated. "Whoever knew the Gupta family... they don't matter, but Zuma matters because something must be found."

"Was the state captured?," he asks.

He says Madonsela was given money "in a hurry" to probe the Guptas state capture saga before she left.

He now mentions the Guptas for the first time...

Zuma still maintains that the Nkandla upgrades were security features and necessary. He says Nkandla was used to enhance the phrase that he is corrupt.

Zuma says Thuli Madonsela found nothing in her Nkandla report. This however, is not accurate.

"You will recall that when I was building my home in Nkandla, problems arose about corruption," Zuma says media mentioned the money that was squandered. He says government structures investigating Nkandla found nothing. Zuma says he was still vilified as the most corrupt person in the world.

"When I was being dismissed, the president said Zuma must have his day in court and I hadn't been charged by then. It was my first time hearing that I will be in court." He says Schabir Shaik was first charged after being accused of corruption with Zuma. "They wanted Schabir to be convicted in order to charge me. In a sense prolonging the narrative that Zuma is corrupt."

"There was a determination to arrest me before the conference," Zuma says, He says this was done so that he doesn't take part in it.

He now talks about the infamous Polokwane conference.

Zuma says he did not fight his removal as SA deputy president. 

Zuma says he didn't tell the leadership that he knew about the resignation plan. He says the issue of him resigning from the ANC started at this time. "I did not resign," he said.

Zuma says there was talk that he would be made to resign from ANC leadership and go home to Nkandla. There was a rumour that he'd be given R20million to do so.

"The head of NPA and the minister had a press conference where it was announced there was an investigation against Zuma but is unwinnable in court," Zuma says. 

"It did not make sense to me," he says there were many implicated in Arms Deal but there were charges against him.

Zuma now goes back to 2005 when he was removed as SA's deputy president.

Zuma says he has been connecting the dots since back then.

"The character assassination I have faced over the years, more than 20 years, this is one of the sources I know. There was a plan to get rid of Zuma and Zuma has been dealt with all the time."

He was elected Deputy SG at the 1991 conference. Mandela was elected president. The ANC decided that Mandela and the treasurer would go to the US to raise funds. Thabo Mbeki and Zuma were assigned to the UK on another mission.

Zuma now talks about the ANC's first elective conference in1991 after being unbanned. 

Zuma says he questioned back then why he was being attacked. The answer was because he had a lot of info as chief of intel. He was alleged to be surrounded by spies in his department. He was said to be nurturing these spies to eventually lead these spies. Zuma says this is when he was removed, which began the process of him being here today.

Zuma says the assassination of his character began as far back as 1990.

Another Zuma supporter, Supra Mahumapelo, speaks outside. 

Zuma describes how, when the ANC was unbanned, he was part of a team tasked with helping rebuild the ANC. He says his specific task was to be chief of intelligence of the ANC.

"I am going to connect the dots over a decade that talk to why I am here."

"There has been a drive to remove me from the scene. A wish that I should disappear. And I will explain where the comes from. It arises out of, perhaps, my work in the ANC. And also because of who I am. This conspiracy against me has been stretched at all material times when there are things to be done."

"This commission... was really created to have me coming here. And perhaps to find things on me."

"The reason why I am starting here is because, when the commission was proposed... that I should establish a commission by the public protector, the previous one, there were certain issues which I was not happy in which the manner was handled."

Zuma says he's paid for his ANC activities by being jailed, fleeing the country.

"I've been a subject of talk in this country for more than a decade. I've been vilified. Alleged to be the king of corrupt people. The most corrupt. I've been given every other name and I have never responded to those issues, firstly because I believe it is important that we all respect one another." - Zuma

"I've got some flu, so my voice is up and down," Zuma says.

Zuma wants to state his side of the story before he is asked questions. 

"So help me God," Zuma takes his oath and sits.

Zuma is about to take his oath.

As Sikhakhane speaks, Zuma's supporters comment.

Sikhakhane says Pretorius is bringing his own ideas here. He did not understand what was being said.

Sikhakhane says Pretorius is condescending. This is because he denies that the commission did not prepare Zuma adequately.

Advocate Pretorius says if Zuma wants to out people by implicating, that's his prerogative.

Sikhakhane says he hopes Zuma will be protected from himself. He says those about to mentioned don't know they will be outed.

Sikhakhane takes us back to April this year when the SCC invited Zuma to the Inquiry. “We made request,” for questions. He says there has been unfairness in how commisison has treated Zuma.

"I handover Mr Zuma to you, without knowing what he's going to say. None of us knows the names he's going to mention." Sikhakhane says.

Sikhakhane says all speculation that Zuma didn’t want to cooperate is not true. He says there has been propaganda machine.

Muzi Sikhakhane SC, who has been representing Zuma at the PMB court in the corruption case as well, will represent him here today.

It looks like he will be addressing the inquiry today.

"It is possible that we might not use all the 5 days," Zondo says. Zuma is scheduled to be here until Friday.

Zuma may be asked to appear again at a later stage.

Zuma is expected to deal with various matters, statements and evidence implicating him, Zondo says.

Zondo again reiterates that the commission seeks to treat all who appear with respect and dignity, but will be firm where needed.

We now offifically begin. DCJ Zondo Zuma has arrived without being compelled. "The commission appreciates that he is here... He has indicated that he has certain reservations about the commission," Zondo says.

DA MP Natasha Mazzone has also made her way in...

Word is Zuma is nearby. Media are gathered at the entrance to catch a glimpse of his motorcade. Further away, cars and buses are still parking.

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WATCH: "The commission is digging, but they cannot find anything..." Zuma once told his supporters.

Readers had their say in our previous poll. Most reckon Zuma won't speak today. 

No sign of Zuma's supporters yet outside the venue.

Speculation over today's events are already playing out on social media.

Yesterday, Zuma tweeted this video. Some reckon it's a message to his detractors...

It's just before 8:30am and still a bit quiet at the venue in Parktown. Media, the public and a few recognisable faces are making their way in.

Former president Jacob Zuma is due to appear at a judicial inquiry where he faces tough questioning over allegations that he oversaw systematic looting of state funds while in power.