Gigaba denies visiting Gupta residence more than twice as claimed by Witness 3
Malusi Gigaba’s legal representative Advocate Richard Solomon is on Monday cross-examining a man only known as Witness Three at the state capture commission.
JOHANNESBURG - Former Minister Malusi Gigaba said it was not true that Witness Three drove him to the Gupta residence or that he went there the six or seven times as stated by the witness.
Gigaba’s legal representative Advocate Richard Solomon is on Monday cross-examining a man only known as Witness Three at the state capture commission.
The man told the commission that he was a driver for Gigaba during his term as Public Enterprises Minister.
He said Gigaba would visit the Gutpa residence where he collected bags of cash and bought tailored suits with the money.
But Gigaba denies this. Solomon asked: “But would not that have been a breach of protocol? You were not a member of the SAPS and you were not authorised to drive Mr Gigaba anywhere; do you agree?”
Witness three said: “I was given instructions by the minister himself.”
Solomon said: “I also want to put it to you that he denies visiting the residence on the number of occasion that you’ve described. At most, it would’ve been once or twice during that period.”
“I went with the minister to the residence about six or seven times,” witness three added.
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Witness Three said that he did not know what position Ben Ngubane held in 2013 but he saw him at the Gupta residence that same year when he went there with Gigaba.
“In 2013, I saw Mr Ngubane in the Gupta residence, not necessarily that he was the chairman of any portfolio but I saw him in the residence in 2013."
The witness was responding to Gigaba's lawyer, who said that the former minister denied that witness three drove him to the Gupta residence.
Gigaba also said that he never saw Ngubane when he went to the Guptas and Ngubane, who was ambassador to Chile at that time.
CONNECTING THE DOTS
Witness Three has conceded that he never personally saw Gigaba taking money from the Gupta residence to his car but had his suspicions because there was always money in the former minister's car after those visits.
"It is because in my view, every time we go there, after a day or two, I would see money from the boot of his car, in a bag and full of money. Hence, I said that I connected the dots, I meant that I was of the view that he may have found the money from the Guptas."
He said that Gigaba would visit the Gupta residence where he collected bags of cash and bought tailored suits with the money.
The former minister has denied this, saying that he only went to Saxonwold two or three times but he was never at the residence with former President Jacob Zuma and former Eskom board chairperson Ben Ngubane, as witness three alleges.